Shangri-La Frontier: Kusoge Hunter, Kamige ni Idoman to su Episode 17 Discussion

@deg mid? it was anything than mid this was amazing

Welp, using the resu orb like that is pretty much an obvious strategy. I can't believe he did the cliché. lol

P.S. Rei in the mini is so adorable but also creepy... 🤣

Welp, using the resu orb like that is pretty much an obvious strategy. I can't believe he did the cliché. lol

P.S. Rei in the mini is so adorable but also creepy... 🤣

@CrazyButNot4U but he threw it before trying to parry it. if he managed to parry that hit, he may have lost the item, and that could be a run-killer for the entire group. so predicting before hand he wouldn't be able to parry it's still insane!!

@Stuntdrath If we parried he could try catch it. Either way loosing it MIGHT be run killer, loosing life in other hand DEFINITELY would.

NGL, this is probably the best episode throughout the whole series thus far (for the anime)
Finally a real raid boss with real raid mechanic , and players actually use strategies to counter it.
It's way better than Solo Leveling type of brainless fight which raw power + mc turns op = win type of combat.

But honestly, can Shangri-La really deserve to be called godly game when P2W is the only way to beat an ultra boss?
Cut you to lv50 -> have p2w items to boost you back to higher level stats, unlimited instant rev battle item without cd , requires key item like special holy water to avoid wipe mech.
Basically you cant win the boss with raw skill alone, need to pay hundred millions to get your stat up.
It's a clear sign of p2w shitty game design like mobile games if you ask me.
A real tough raid boss should demand a full party to have complete flawless coordination, with very tight dps check to avoid enrage, not demanding p2w items to win. (ex. Lost Ark hell mode legion raid boss for example)

Some weeks ago, people were complaining about the preparations for the Wethermon combat taking too long and now that the fight is happening, those same people are whining because it's taking too many episodes. sigh*

Anyways, another awesome episode. Animation was being okay-ish until Wethermon got triggered by Sunraku's pendant and gotta say Wethermon's Ultimate Move with the attack showing a clear blue sky after the slash looked sick asf.

And that Mini tho. Stalking someone has never being this cute before.

@Ventus_S

It's not P2W since it's not using real world currency on top of needing connections to the specific guild. It's like a covenant bonus/rewards from the Souls games that gives you the same effect as the Prisoner Chain from Dark Souls 3 or the Scarseals/Soreseals from Elden Ring.

@doomrider7
Lolz Soul series is the last game you should brought up since all the bosses in Souls series can be beaten at level 1.
Every bosses is a skill check, not p2w fight
If I need hundred millions of in game currency just for one attempt of boss fight, i'd uninstall the game.

Wethermon suddenly speaks the lore of the game in the middle of the battle caught off guard not just me but also Sunraku. Imagine fighting boss with no cast time and barraging you nonstop. One litre of energy drink sounds impossible for that one job. I feel like this isn't the third phase, but more like a special phase just for Sunraku thanks to the charm from the daughter of Alice unlocking all Wethermon hesitation. Lets us go, he said, yeah lets go to the next week already!

@Ventus_S I mean in most RPG games, its normal if you need endgame items and equipments to raid an endgame boss. And the fact that all those items has price of millions imply that most high end player in the game has millions in their pocket. I play genshin and I have around 12 million mora in my account and I'm a F2P, never spend a cent in genshin. Even with that amount of mora it will not be enough to max out 2 characters (because you need around 10 million mora to max out one character).

Sunraku broke because he is still newbie and only focus on farming level, we all know there's gotta be spot or way to farm something RPG games. I mean we've seen Sunraku farming materials in the swamp area back in episode 3 so there's gotta be an area or way to farm manhi in SLF (like what Pencilgon said by trading with merchants and such). Perhaps you haven't played enough RPG game yet.

@badabass yep, the necklace unlock the hidden phase of Wozaemon

Some weeks ago, people were complaining about the preparations for the Wethermon combat taking too long and now that the fight is happening, those same people are whining because it's taking too many episodes. sigh*

Anyways, another awesome episode. Animation was being okay-ish until Wethermon got triggered by Sunraku's pendant and gotta say Wethermon's Ultimate Move with the attack showing a clear blue sky after the slash looked sick asf.

And that Mini tho. Stalking someone has never being this cute before.

@badabass yep, the necklace unlock the hidden phase of Wozaemon

@Tenzen12 i assume once you throw it counts like used item. either you fail or catch it back. i don't know if that's how it works, but we can assume items have their rules. if not, you could just do that everytime without penalties. also pencilgon stopped katsuo from using it because it's surely like i said. you throw it, you lose it. she saw sunraku did the predict and stopped katsuo from throwing his rez so they don't lose the item for nothing. and it seems that the fight will be 1 item away from failure.

@badabass yep, the necklace unlock the hidden phase of Wozaemon

@Zirkfector
Lol
It's because i played enough rpg and mmo since the past 30 years that i know this game is a shitty MMO.
The whole game is designed around single player coop experience like Souls series + Monster Hunter.
However, they also incorporate MMO p2w system to make boss encounter easier, which contradict the design of good MMO boss raid.

A good MMO boss raid should not even allow special p2w item to be used during the encounter in the first place.
Coordination +player skill should be the only factor in MMO boss raid.
P2W boss design is an outdated old class Korean MMO design , like Lineage/ RO.

Basically this game is a fail mix of both single player arpg (imagine needing to grind millions of currency for one boss attempt when you play Elden Ring with time gated entry limit) + half ass MMO raid design. (imagine a team using special p2w item to beat a super boss whereas normal players stand no chance to compete)

@SouthRzVa

Because almost nothing out the elongated "training" arc previous to the fight is actually being used. Nothing Sunraku learned from the fighting game he spent a whole episode is being used in this fight. The whole babbling about combined skills is also completely irrelevant. The only truly justified events were farming in the secret fishing area to increase levels and hoarding res items for their elongated fight.

This show is pretty much a fruit cake, it's mostly lazy filler.

Any other show would use shorts to add up the teathre content. IN here it takes away actual runtime from the episodes in order to elongate everything and look like it's justified to have a 2 cour of pretty much nothing.

@Ventus_S

What part of the scales using in-game currency did you miss? It's like complaining that the Magic Armor in Twilight Princess or the Satori Armor in TotK are P2W since they trade defense for money which is not too different from using the in-game scales to sacrifice in-game currency to temporarily beef up your levels which is not that different from every lvl1 run in Elden Ring using a blend of Godrick's Great Rune to give yourself +5 levels in every stat as well as the Radagon Soreseal for +5 levels in Vit, Stam, Str, and Dex.

@doomrider7
Again you brought up single player imba item in a MMO raid which makes no sense.
And no, Twilight princess is a bad example here since the difficulty does not support to use of magic armour to prevail, even in the challenge dungeon.
Basically Wozaemon cut you to lv50 = you're forced to fight the boss low stat = basically getting one shot by everything + not enough stamina to handle his onslaught of attacks = basically forcing you to use p2w items to even stand a chance.

Your Elden Ring example is bad too because none of those buff stuff requires to grind millions gold worth of items.
Everything can be tackled at lvl1 with minimal investment since it's not a MMO raid. Everything is balanced around single player experience.

@Kimurah

At this point I'm just gonna assume you and Ventus are trolling because all of the moves Sunraku does now are all from him having combined the previous versions to get better buffed ones. He literally talks about his newer abilities like "Hand of Fortune", "Infight", "Hunger Wolf" and a bunch of others. The fighting game thing is him training to get acclimated to dealing with crazy OP attacks nased on split second timing. All of this stuff is LITERALLY explained in the episodes they happen.